Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980710200303.006aca88@cstone.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:03:03 -0400
To: baidarka@lists.intelenet.net
From: winter@cstone.net (Ken Winter)
Subject: Re: [baidarka] Hull ID numbers not a myth
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980709233535.007b0300@sowega.net>
Wynne-
I read the original post and have been amused by the ensuing discussion.
GOOD WORK on getting your facts straight and keeping everyone informed. I
for one appreciate it. For those ready to go out and buy a truck full of
fertilizer over this matter, take a deep breath and de-stress with a nice
long paddle ... AFTER obtaining your Hull ID # (if possible).
Laws like this tend to have reasons. The number of home-built baidarkas
plying the waterways is infintessimal compared to overall boat traffic,
which needs to be registered, just like every vehicle: boats, planes, cars,
motorcycles, etc.
Bottom line. No one is going to take anyone's boat.
I for one always prefer to AT LEAST know the law and subsequent penalties.
We're all big boys and can decide what we want to do.
-Ken Winter
At 11:35 PM 7/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
>I (Wynne--no "a") wrote this:
>>> >> Without the legal 12 digit Hull ID # your kayak can be impounded--they
>>> >> won't worry with boarding it, they'll just yank her aboard and drop
>>> >you,
>>> >> sans kayak, at the dock.
>
>in response to "lets see a cop board me!!". I did say "CAN", not will be.
>
>And nope,. it's not an urban legend. It's a legal enforcement of a
>published US law. Your boat *could* be impounded. But it won't. The CG
>says it won't ever happen, as the states give out too much bad info as
>regards HINs (I can't get GA to issue me one, and the legal guys at the CG
>are arguing with the state DNR over this, since the state can't charge me
>to register, so won't issue a HIN). The law allows them to impound a boat
>that doesn't posses a HIN as proof of ownership cannot be established. The
>guy I"m dealing with says the most extreme thing that would happen is
>they'd ticket you, which would be suspended when you proved that you'd
>gotten the #. If anyone needs validation of what I wrote, request the
>"Boater Safety Pack" from the CG site or toll free phone # 800-369-5647.
>Tell them you have a "home made boat" and you want information on complying
>with requirements for a Hull ID number.
>
>You couldn't use "coasties suck99", because it don't fit the pattern, and
>it's too many digits. You use 12 digits that your state is supposed to
>knwo how to assign, unless you live in Alaska.
>
>My doberman has never choked, my microwave has never exploded a poodle, and
>I've never murdered anyone hitchhiking, then disappeared...though I might.
>I just made the mistake of wanting to find out the law, after someone else
>brought it up, then thinking intelligent folks would be interested in
>knowing what I found out.
>
>The rationale is the same as it is for VINs (you have to get one of those
>if you build a homemade car and drive it on publicly maintained roads--but
>they make you get more safety inspections done and have tons of regulations
>to adhere to) only you're less likely to get caught.
>
>Damn! See if I ever mention a published fact to you guys again. I'd put a
>smiley after that, but it'd be insincere. Did only one person read the
>original post?
>
>
>
>At 07:51 PM 7/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Sounds like an urban (suburban,?submarine?) myth to me....... I quite
>>agree, the burden
>>of proof is on those whose homemade baidarkas have been actually
>>impounded for lacking a 14 digit id number. Wolfgang? Speak up!
>>Anyone???
>>For more neat urban myths go to
>>
>>http://www.urbanlegends.com/ they're a
>>hoot! Actually this sounds a bit to me like a book I once read about
>>an anthropologist who went about trying to quantify the practice of
>>cannibalism from first-hand (sorry, no pun intended) sources. (One
>>man's meat is another man's person?)(Somebody stop me!) Well the upshot
>>was that he got plenty of "Oh yeah, those heathens on the next ridge do
>>it all the time....." responses. But no hard eyewitness or firsthand
>>testimony.(He came back alive, I guess.) This was repeated everywhere
>>he went.... Anyway...... I heard that after the Coast Guard impounds
>>the baidarkas.....they make soup of the paddlers. (On the other
>>hand....if it is true...how 'bout C.O.A.S.T.I.E.S. S.U.C.K 99 for a id
>>number? Here's yer digit bub! Just kidding! Holster that thing
>>again!) Ok. the petty bureaucrat coasties in Washington who never get
>>salt spray in their little paramedic mustaches are the ones who have too
>>much time on their hands (ie: suck.) Agreed? But then only on the
>>outside chance if it proves out!
>> Chris
>>Kirk Olsen wrote:
>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Karl_Schlenker@umit.maine.edu (Karl Schlenker)
>>>
>>> >> Wayne Eden wrote:
>>>
>>> >> Without the legal 12 digit Hull ID # your kayak can be impounded--they
>>> >> won't worry with boarding it, they'll just yank her aboard and drop
>>> >you,
>>> >> sans kayak, at the dock.
>>>
>>> I haven't given this issue much thought (and no research), but I do
>>> have one question that I'd like to ask of everyone, and it is this:
>>> Has anyone had a kayak impounded by USCG for not having a hull number?
>>> (..I know of someone who knows of someone's cousin who had it happen to
>>> them... doesn't count)
>>>
>>> Karl Schlenker
>>
>>
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