Subject: RE: baidarka pigment sources
From: Peter A. Chopelas (pac@premier1.net)
Date: Thu Apr 06 2000 - 19:07:23 EDT
Douglas,
You should contact George Dyson at (360) 734-9226 or Fax him a letter at
(360) 761-9736 to get the latest info on fabrics and sealant for building
kayaks. He sells various fabrics, weights sealant for kayaker and knows a
lot about durability etc. he would be most helpful for you. He is some
times hard to reach by phone so he likely would respond to the fax.
One of the best way to prevent rot is to use toxic compounds like lead
based paints! Pressure treated lumber used for out door construction (deck
and porches etc.) is basically a pesticide soaked piece of wood. If
nothing can grow on or eat the wood then it will not rot. The same is true
of "treated" canvas. With certain plastics micro organisms can not grow on
or eat either, so it will not rot.
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Ingram - Red River Canoe & Paddle [SMTP:redcanoe@pangea.ca]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 1:34 PM
To: baidarka@lists.intelenet.net
Subject: Re: baidarka pigment sources
Peter,
Thanks for the info. I have a catalog from Ennis fabrics, a wholesaler.
Are there any particular product names that I should keep my eyes open for?
>From recent discussions, it seems that urethanes are the sealant of
choice.
What other sealers and fillers have been used with success?
I think that I will have to take a closer look at these issues of fabric
and sealer. I really hadn't been thinking along this line until now. It
seems to be particularly appropriate for the lightweight solo canoes. As
for longevity, the old lead based fillers made the canoe canvas last
decades. Not too bad, eh?
Douglas Ingram
Lorette, Manitoba
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> From: Peter A. Chopelas <pac@premier1.net>
> To: 'baidarka@lists.intelenet.net'
> Subject: RE: baidarka pigment sources
> Date: Thursday, April 06, 2000 10:35 AM
>
> Douglas,
>
> Depending on the supplier they are available usually in 58 to 88 inch
wide
> range (60 is most common) and there used to be 45 inch commonly available
> too (the last time I was buying in wholesale quantities anyway about 15
> years ago). I think if you hunt around you may even find a supplier that
> has it up to 100 inches wide. Eight to 14 oz/yd is the range used in
> kayaks, though I think most people tend toward the 8 to 9 oz/yd,
especially
> after the build a heavy one first.
>
> You will want what they call "gray goods", undyed, untreated, raw fabric.
> This takes the sealant best. I would think nylon would be great on a
> canoe, it is lighter, smoother and stronger than canvass, fairly abrasion
> resistant and will not rot as readily as canvas. And it should last
longer
> than cotton duct. And it does not really cost any more that cotton duck
> either.
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas Ingram - Red River Canoe & Paddle [SMTP:redcanoe@pangea.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 10:49 PM
> To: baidarka@lists.intelenet.net
> Subject: Re: baidarka pigment sources
>
> What widths does this nylon come in? This thread, along with the mention
> of "Corey Goop" has got me wondering how it might work on my canoes. Any
> word yet on the life span of these materials?
>
> Douglas Ingram
> Lorette, Manitoba
>
> ----------
> > From: wayne steffens <wsteffen@mr.net>
> > To: baidarka@lists.intelenet.net
> > Subject: RE: baidarka pigment sources
> > Date: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 3:01 PM
> >
> > Ahh, OK. I was planning to try a water base, so acrylics should do it.
My
> > skin has arrived, and my skinner will be back in town in a few days.
> Right
> > now I'm doing another series of tests on nylon scraps with water-base
> poly
> > and some acrylic pigments. The stuff I found is about 4.99 a tube, and
I
> > think it would take at least 1 tubes per quart, but that isnt too bad
if
> > couple quarts will cover the boat. I have a little 8 oz can of poly and
> it
> > took about 1/4-1/3 tube before it really took the color. Of course the
> > water base is white, kinda like skim milk until it dries, so maybe I
dont
> > need as much as I think I do.
> >
> > This nylon is neat stuff. I ordered 9 oz (8.9) and I think even thats
> > overkill for my purposes, but its very light. Spiritline sent me a
sample
> > of nylon coated with Corey's goop and its pretty impressive stuff. Its
> > glass-smooth, flexible in a plasticky kind of way, and very, very
strong.
> > Its like a heavy mylar or something, and I think you'd have to be a
> > Tsunamai Ranger or really really dumb to put a hole in it. I tried
> nailing
> > though it and it took a fair amount of pressure. But I think I'll stick
> > with the water-based one part and see how that goes for my first
effort.
> > Coreys stuff looks well worth trying though, especially if you're
looking
> > for virtual indestructability. And if they toss in the pigment free it
> > wouldnt be much more expensive than mixing your own, possibly inferior
> stuff.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > At 06:19 AM 4/4/00 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Just use artist acryclics in your poly! Works like a charm for
> translucent
> > >colors.
> > >
> > >Stephen
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: owner-baidarka@lists.intelenet.net
> > >[mailto:owner-baidarka@lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of wayne steffens
> > >Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 3:54 PM
> > >To: baidarka@lists.intelenet.net
> > >Subject: Re: baidarka pigment sources
> > >
> > >
> > >Yup, done that route but they dont have the colors I want. I did find
a
> > >local store that would order powdered pigments for me, but they wont
> order
> > >it for at least "a few weeks", and its about $10 for 30 ml, which
> probably
> > >isnt even enough. I should have asked who they order from.
> > >
> > >Wayne
> > >
> > >
> > >At 03:16 PM 4/3/00 -0700, you wrote:
> > >>I saw liquid pigments for epoxy and I think urethanes at Home Depot
> this
> > >>weekend- you might check there...
> > >>-Gardner Congdon
> > >>Seattle
> > >>
> > >>wayne steffens wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> At 07:57 PM 3/23/00 -0600, you wrote:
> > >>> >Good prices for powered paint pigments are available from Daniel
> Smith
> > >in
> > >>> >Bellevue and Seattle. 1(206) 233-9599 I do not know if they are
> online
> > >yet
> > >>> >(they were not the last time I ordered from them 2 years ago). If
> you
> > >go
> > >>> >to an art supply store you will only get small amounts for big $.
> > >Daniel
> > >>> >Smith sell both small jars and in bulk packs.
> > >>>
> > >>> """"""""We're sorry, you have reached a number that has been
> diconnected
> > >or
> > >>> is no longer in service. If you feel you have reached this message
in
> > >>> error, please hang up and try your call again. If this is an
> emergency,
> > >>> please hang up and call the operator.""""""""
> > >>>
> > >>> OPERATOR! HELP! I CANT FIND POWDERED PIGMENTS AT A REASONABLE
> PRICE!!!
> > >>>
> > >>> Wayne
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