Subject: Re: baidarka Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:58:26 -0800
From: Phil Sharp (srelt@msn.com)
Date: Fri Dec 08 2000 - 06:24:38 EST
Thanks James--
I am still wrestling with the design of that main station. Having paddled
only wide Folbots, I am not too worried about it being a hard boat to paddle
even if I make it 24 or even 28 inches. That is still much better than 34"!
It may be sluggish to many here, but so much easier than what I have done. It
could then be about 15 to 17 feet long by 24 to 28 inches wide, provide a
wide, long cockpit so fishing gear could be easily used, and still be rather
light (my 17 footer I am using weighs 62 lbs empty). It isn't going to be a
speed demon and it won't be as easy to use as the baidarka designs can be. A
native of years ago would gag looking at it. All that aside, it would do its
job admirably I think, and that is exactly what the originals did too.
Well, I keep churning the design around in my head that thinking about it. I
will get there, James, and I will build. But first the concept must be clear
and right, and there is so little in the literature, and apparantly in the
experience of the current builders here, that I can fall back on. That is, of
course, because the purposes are so different.
If I haven't said it before, Merry Christmas everyone!
Phil Sharp
SeaCaller
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From: James Mitchell
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 1:33 AM
To: baidarka@lists.intelenet.net
Subject: Re: baidarka Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:58:26 -0800
Did I get back to you on this, Phil? Your descriptions sound exactly right.
It sure is a joy to have a hull I can trust now.
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From: "Phil Sharp" <srelt@msn.com>
To: "BaidarkaSubmission" <baidarka@lists.intelenet.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: baidarka Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:58:26 -0800
> Knowing only a little about design, I would have thought adding beam would
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