Subject: Re: baidarka Permanent foam flotation?
From: James Mitchell (mariner@seanet.com)
Date: Wed May 03 2000 - 01:44:53 EDT
Dave, Corey makes double-chamber float bags for the kayaks. Call Alison and
go look at hers (907-789-4706). If they will do you, I will get you a set
from Corey. I think he gets about $80 a set. They are really worth it,
excellent for camping, and great floatation.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Moeny <dmoeny@bigfoot.com>
To: <baidarka@lists.intelenet.net>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: baidarka Permanent foam flotation?
I had trouble finding bags that would fill my baidarka until someone
pointed me to mariner kayaks.
They have bags which are larger than standard. These completely fill the
bow/stern areas.
Dave M.
juneau, ak
At 12:09 PM 5/1/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Jack,
>
>I've had experience with this foam and kayaks - and I wouldn't do it. My
>buddy and I built matching cedar strip kayaks, he poured expanding foam in
>the ends and I didn't (I use floatation bags). The foam is MUCH more heavy
>and dense than you would think, he used a 2 quart (I think) kit and it
>probably added a good 7 pounds to his boat. This weight was in the ends
>which is exactly where you don't want it. After paddling for about 6 months
>he was so unhappy with the system compared to my version of the boat that
he
>had a really fun time trying to chip it out of the ends. As someone else
>already mentioned the foam does absorb water over time making things that
>much worse. Have you tried looking for white water floatation bags that are
>meant for the rear? Some of these bags are essentially spit in two, making
>very long and skinny bags that would fit in the bow and stern pretty well.
>
>Good luck,
>Greg Pearson
>
>
>on 5/1/00 4:57 AM, Jack Gilman at hudsonsb@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Hi All-
> > I am building a West Greenland kayak from Bob
> > Boucher?s fine video and have just finished the frame.
> > This boat is intended for day use, not for trips. I
> > bought a few float bags for bow & stern, but they
> > don?t fill all that much space.
> > What I was thinking of doing is to use an expanding
> > foam to create permanent flotation in the bow & stern
> > sections, like a canoe, with the float bags filling
> > the areas that are left over. I feel that way I will
> > have as much flotation as possible, with some
> > removable in case I want to take a dry bag, etc. I
> > don?t really want to use a sea sock.
> > I was planning to ?skin? the boat temporarily with
> > cardboard, (place in some plastic sheeting to
> > encapsulate) carefully layer in the foam with the top
> > of the boat open. I then can remove the cardboard,
> > and mold the foam if neccesary to avoid it contacting
> > the real skin.
> > Does this make sense? Will it work effectively? Has
> > anyone used expanding foam to provide permanent
> > flotation? Or will it just be a big mess?
> > Thanks for your thoughts-
> > Jack Gilman wrote:
>
> >
> > =====
> > * Check out the Yonkers Paddling & Rowing club
> > online at yprc.org.
> > ----------------------------------------------
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