Subject: Re: baidarka Japanese kayaks
From: Douglas Ingram (redcanoe@pangea.ca)
Date: Wed Mar 07 2001 - 16:41:06 EST
Hi Adrian,
Fancy finding you here! The coincidence of your timing for showing up in
this list is very interesting. Last time that we wrote to each other was in
'96, and I was putting together a bid to build a a Dragon Boat. Well as
you know, that one didn't happen, however, this week I have started to build
one for the same people as before. I've been organizing materials,
measuring, and I'll be lofting tomorrow. How do you keep showing up at such
unique times? It's uncanny!
Facility Marketing Group has a fleet of 7 DB's that were bought through
Great White North, and mine is to be similar to them in order to maintain
fleet consistency. Whatever the strengths or weaknesses of these particular
boats, the client likes them alot for the recreational races that they put
on.
Good to hear from you again, what have you been up to?
Douglas Ingram
(who can't remember if he's Louis or Rick...)
Red River Canoe & Paddle
www.wilds.mb.ca/redriver
Lorette, Manitoba
----- Original Message -----
From: <adrian.lee@dragonboat.com>
To: <baidarka@lists.intelenet.net>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: baidarka Japanese kayaks
> My particular area of research interest is traditional long boats of Asia
> Pacific (Rim) and I am in Vancouver BC , a former docent of Kanawa Canoe
> Museum when it was still located at Camp Kandalore in Minden / Dorest
> Ontario. Once taught for John Dowd's Ecomarine Ocean Kayaking Centre,
> Granville Island. So I research dragon boats (long zhou), perion boats
> (japanese version from chinese bai long or white dragon), chandun in
India,
> swan boats in Thailand (Siam).
>
> Bangladesh has a bifurcated (sort of) bow in their Peacock Boats. Picture
> the keel extending way forward underwater -- like a kootenay sturgeon
nosed
> (British Columbia native group) bark canoe -- which is similar to a unique
> hull form located in Siberia's Amur River, which is called Heilong Jiang
on
> the Chinese south shore of the river (hei long = black dragon, jiang =
> river, in chinese), while the gunwales at the bow extend also way
forward,
> almost like a horizontal bow sprit. The result looks bifurcated, as
> opposed to a vertical stem post. These are open boats, not kayaks, but
> paddled.
>
> This seems to be structural in origin. A remarkably parallel design from
> northern europe is featured in Greenhill's Evolution of the Wooden Ship, I
> believe.
>
> The dragon headed prow of a dragon boat is invariably rising way above
> water, so there is no tongue dragging, as suggested. Even when a DB is
> swamped, the head and tail rise above the water, as if a loch ness monster
> in asian form !
>
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