Subject: Re: baidarka Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:58:26 -0800
From: James Mitchell (mariner@seanet.com)
Date: Mon Dec 04 2000 - 17:21:51 EST
If I understand your terms correctly, I am talking about the angle of the
deadrise. You are correct about the "V" being decreased at the keel.
Because of the way I did this, the effect is proportionally larger as you
approach the gunwale; therefore there is very little impact on waterline;
and even less impact on the angles at the keel. I haven't had a chance to
paddle in wind yet, and such would be a very subjective test anyway;
however, Heron and Orca have much the same flare/keel arrangement and track
very well.
I would guess that the tightness of the skin has more to do with tracking
than the changes I made. Because of some unfortunate temperature and
humidity changes, Raven's skin came out looser than I wanted (hurray for
working outside). But one benefit of a loose skin is better tracking,
because the keel and the stringers become more exposed as the skin wraps
around them.
Incidentally, Raven, Orca, and Chinook are all for sale if anyone is
interested.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Native Ways" <nativeways@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: baidarka Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:58:26 -0800
> James,
> When you peak of "flare" are you talking about the beam, or the dead rise
> from the keel to the chine, making it more of a V hull? It sounds like you
> increased the beam on Raven at mid-ships but left the old ribs as-is which
> would, I think, flatten the bottom a little, effectively making less "V",
> and a shallower cock-pit area. No? How is tracking with a beam wind
compared
> to before?
> Greg
>
>
> >From: "James Mitchell" <mariner@seanet.com>
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> >Yeah, I think flare has a lot more to do with the stability than does
width
> >per se. Since our discussion, I completed and tested Raven. I can now
hang
> >her on her gunwale and spin her; previously, I couldn't take my eyes off
> >the
> >water. This is the second hull I have done this too, the first being
Orca,
> >with same result. And Heron, which was designed from the beginning with
the
> >additional secondary flare, I have actually dosed off while sitting in
the
> >reeds at Spencer Island in the late afternoon summer sun. I think you
> >could
> >fish all day in that boat.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Phil Sharp" <srelt@msn.com>
> >To: "BaidarkaSubmission" <baidarka@lists.intelenet.net>
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 5:22 PM
> >Subject: Re: baidarka Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:58:26 -0800
> >
> >
> > > Thanks for the idea James. I had not considered doing it that way. I
> >had
> > > thought about increasing gunwale width, but then proportionately
> >increasing
> > > the stringer width as well, and maybe adding one more stringer each
> >side
> >to
> > > support the added width. Your idea is intiguing, though. Now, do you
> >do
> >any
> > > fishing from your kayak, and if not, do you think you could if you
> >wanted
> >to?
> > > Sorry it took me so long to get back to you; I have been out of town.
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> > > Phil Sharp
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> > > ----- Original Message -----
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> > > From: James Mitchell
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> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 9:39 PM
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> > >
> > > To: baidarka@lists.intelenet.net
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> > > Subject: Re: baidarka Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:58:26 -0800
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> > > Phil, I recently modified my first hull to increase its stability.
> > >
> > >
> > > Originally it was 17'-2" x 20.5", now it is 17'-1.5" by 22.25". All
the
> > >
> > >
> > > increase is at the gunwale. I replaced all the deck beams to increase
> >the
> > >
> > >
> > > width, moving the old ones forward a station (and retrimming them).
> >Most
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> > > had to be replaced.
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> > > The modification has worked very well. With no noticeable impact on
> >speed,
> > >
> > >
> > > I have easily increased the effective stability nearly double to the
> >point
> > >
> > >
> > > where I can hang the hull on its gunwale clear above the cockpit rim.
> > >
> > >
> > > Prior, if I tried that, it would have capsized. What I have confirmed
> >here
> > >
> > >
> > > is the impact of flare on the stability. I would encourage you to
build
> >as
> > >
> > >
> > > much flare into your hull as possible. That way the stability will be
> >there
> > >
> > >
> > > when needed, but won't slow you down when you don't.
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> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Phil Sharp" <srelt@msn.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > To: "BaidarkaSubmission" <baidarka@lists.intelenet.net>
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 8:26 AM
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> > > > Do any of you fish regularly from your Baidarkas? If so, did you
> >change
> > >
> > >
> > > the
> > >
> > >
> > > > dimensions to make it more stable? What are those
dimensions--length,
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> > > width?
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