Subject: Re: baidarka FW: Aleut Paddle
From: James Mitchell (mariner@seanet.com)
Date: Fri Dec 29 2000 - 23:42:12 EST
I'll pick one up and try it... Thanks, Doug! I have discovered a new way to
set the shaper so it produces a smoother product, by leaving a guide tongue
on the original wood and doing the net trim later. It also opens the
flexibility for a lot of different paddle shapes. This is similar in some
ways to the composite manufacturing process.
I think that shaper is going to be a really good investment downstream. If
enough people like the output, I think I might retool the shaper using a
three-blade rather than just a two-blade cutter.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Ingram" <redcanoe@pangea.ca>
To: <baidarka@lists.intelenet.net>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: baidarka FW: Aleut Paddle
> Hi James,
>
> Philip answered the "what's an angle grinder! question pretty well. I
would
> add that I never put 4" discs on a 4" grinder. I always use 5". This
> allows a bit of flex to the edge of the disc, giving me more of a feel of
> what I am doing, and allowing me to work the disc flatter. The 4" discs
are
> much stiffer and force you to work more on its edge. I have, in the past,
> put 8" discs on the small grinder, this allows the discs to be worked very
> flat, as it will actuall bend to the work.
>
> This is the most valuable shaping tool that I own. Some have joked that
it
> is my "magic" tool, I use it for so many different tasks, it would be
> difficult to list. I would encourage anyone who does much complex wood
> shaping to become familiar with its capacities.
>
> Sure, it makes a lot of dust. I do not believe that it is panacea for
every
> task or situation. I will offer this, though, that when one is working to
> close tolerances, abrasives often offer greater control in varying grain
> conditions than cutting tools. Perhaps I should restate that as being
more
> consistently predictable. Also, for many complex shaping situations, it
is
> very fast and predictable. I can't think of a better way to carve portage
> yokes.
>
> 600 paddle, soon to be 620, isn't such a big deal. If its your work, and
> you've been doing it for awhile, it all adds up. If you would like to
take
> a look at them, go to: www.wilds.mb.ca/redriver
>
> I am curious to see how long it takes me to make up the Aleut paddle. I
> just got my brother to acces the file for, and he is printing it up for
me.
> I am looking forward to seeing the drawings. I am going to try it out
first
> for my 10 year old son. anyone have thoughts about proper scaling?
>
> We are also starting up a kayak for him over the christmas break. A good
> father son project. Still thinking about what to build, I expect that I
> will finalize that as we start.
>
> Oh, back to those sailing boats. I do like the Haven 12 1/2 a lot. But
if
> I am going to go through the effort of building a sailing boat, my
ambitions
> for its use will be more ambitious than day sailing. I want something
that
> can keep on going. For day sailing, I would rather rig up a canoe.
>
> I have always loved the look and philosohpy of Albert Strange's boats.
> Especially Sheila, Sheila II, and Wenda. Roxanne has slowly woven her
spell
> over me with her inherent virtues. Speed, seaworthiness, shallow draft,
> trailerability, interior space, that great big cockpit, and the absence of
> all complex rigging. She looks great and apologizes for nothing.
>
> Douglas Ingram
> Red River Canoe & Paddle
> Lorette, Manitoba
>
> > So what's an angle grinder? I've never heard of one... and am very
> > interested. 600 paddles is a major accomplishment!
> >
> > At Friday, 22 December 2000, you wrote:
> >
> > >James, I can't conceive of working without my angle grinder, I'd
> > be lost
> > >without it. It has been the tool of choice for over 600 paddles
> > now. With
> > >a little practice I am sure that most people could be able to control
> > it.
> > >Choosing the right grit is very important.
> > >
> > >Once you get the hang of it, you can do amazing things, and with more
> > >control than you'd think. On the bentshaft and Freestyle blades
> > that I do,
> > >I routinely shape to very close tolerances and thin edges.
> > >
> > >The shaped blade faces, the ridge, even the groove, would be easy
> > for me to
> > >do with the grinder. But, I guess that after 600 paddles, it had
> > better be.
> > >
> > >In the end, we all choose the tools that work best for us.
> > >
> > >Douglas
> > >
> > >> Phil, I can't conceive of being able to control a disk sander
> > that well.
> > >But
> > >> I cut the hollow successfully with a belt sander all the time.
> > Rough the
> > >> shape either by hand or with the shaper, then use the nose of
> > the belt
> > >> sander to grind the final curve. It takes some practice, but it will
> > >work.
> > >> Someday I would like to get better, more accurate control of that by
> > >> building a special sanding tool; but for now, my beat-up old Makita
> > does
> > >the
> > >> job.
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Philip A Jacobs (jaco0253@jaco0253.email.umn.edu)"
> > >> <jaco0253@gold.tc.umn.edu>
> > >> To: <baidarka@lists.intelenet.net>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 6:48 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: baidarka FW: Aleut Paddle
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > I haven't tried this but have been following this thread. Some
> > of the
> > >> > better wood working catalogs (Lee Valley Tools, Garrett Wade,
> > etc.) sell
> > >> > scooping tools ('scorps') used to hollow out chair seats, etc.
> > on a pull
> > >> > stroke. Sort of like a ladle with a sharpened edge and a hole
> > in the
> > >> > bottom.
> > >> >
> > >> > Could these grooves or hollows be carved out with a 4 inch disk
> > >> > sander/grinder, using the edge of the disk on an angle (like
> > cutting
> > >coves
> > >> > on a table saw)?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Oooh, I hate to recommend this to anybody. It is a special
> > cutter I
> > >built
> > >> > up myself with the help of a machine shop (the cutter alone
> > was nearly
> > >> > $500). Tricky, expensive, dangerous as hell. A panel cutter
> > won't do
> > >it.
> > >> > This is more like a 2" high cove cutter with a long straight
> > side set at
> > >8
> > >> > degrees. If you really want to go there, I will send you some
> > photos
> > >after
> > >> > I come back from Alaska. You will need a pretty health shaper
> > for this,
> > >> > at least 2 hp. I am using a 220v Grizzly. Ask me again next year!
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> > From Jim Mitchell
> > on vacation in Juneau Alaska
> >
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